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  • #61
    Re: OLYMPIC BREASTROKE athlete has HCM

    Driving a race car and some of the other things mentioned are dangerous, hi risk activity in themself.
    The participants and everyone watching knows that and it's inherent in the sport.
    Swimming on it's own is not particularly dangerous, so the danger is not in the sport as the above are.
    It's the condition of the participant.
    Question: Would NASCAR or any other racing affiliate allow Jeff Gordon or anyone else to drive in a race knowing he has a disease that could potentially cause him sudden death????
    I wouldn't want to be a racer out there against him or a fan sitting on the corner he's driving straight at.
    Every great thing that has ever happened since the beginning of time has started as a single thought in someones mind.
    So if you are capable of thought then you are capable of great things
    Good luck and stay well.
    Glen

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    • #62
      Re: OLYMPIC BREASTROKE athlete has HCM

      Hi Everybody,

      You all make valid points, and i myself very much appreciate your input. I'm so glad we have a group of adults here who can engage in a debate (even heated at times) and still walk away friends.... at least i think so, right?

      Glen, i think the big difference here is that in the scenario you mentioned, Jeff Gordon would be putting many other lives at risk besides his own. The government, or NASCAR would have every right to prevent him from doing harm to others.

      Virginia, if i were in your shoes i wouldn't think it was the best idea to enter the Olympics either, citing all of the excellent reasons you have given. However, my whole point of course is that the government is not stopping you from competing because of your arthritis. The Italian was not afforded the same choice. His priorities in life should be his own, whether we agree with them or not.

      This is a debate that appears to put some of us on both sides of the fence, but this isn't the case at all. While i believe in pushing one's limits (whatever they are) and getting the most out of life that you can, i don't think that you should put your life at risk unnecessarily while doing it. If Domenico Fioravanti himself came here and posted, asking for our advice on whether he should compete or not, i might just say 'What? Are you out of your mind?' Probably not, but either way... once he made his decision, i would respect his right to do so and stand behind him. We don't even know the specifics of his case or how high his risk of sudden death actually is, do we?

      Hey, that's a great idea! The guy's got HCM... somebody go grab him and bring him on the board. Let the man speak for himself.

      Jim
      "Some days you're the dog... some days you're the hydrant."

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      • #63
        Re: OLYMPIC BREASTROKE athlete has HCM

        Jim, I agree, the Jim Gordon scenario should not be compared to the swimmer.
        Every great thing that has ever happened since the beginning of time has started as a single thought in someones mind.
        So if you are capable of thought then you are capable of great things
        Good luck and stay well.
        Glen

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        • #64
          Re: OLYMPIC BREASTROKE athlete has HCM

          Glen it is not just swimming it is competive stressful breaststroke swimming I believe. Which is very demanding on the cardiovascular system. Just a swim is one thing competive is another.

          I understand his desire and determination. I respect that. I would not boo him if he was able to compete. I would probably cheer him on. I just would be very sadden if something happened to him in the competion. It is very heavy hearted (no pun intended) for someone to lose their life over a game.

          Jim the reason I understand the determination is because my drs. wanted me in a wheelchair years ago. I refused, due to my determination. As long as I can put one foot in front of the other no matter how long it takes, and how much pain, I will walk on.

          Funny when I went to NEMC, they made me do the treadmil, there were no choices. I literally dragged and crawled myself back to the hotel across the street. It took me almost 45 mins. but I did it.

          I understand the determination and desire to stride on. I also understand the denial.

          Obviously the Italian government gets it and values a persons life more than winning a medal.

          This was a very good debate. As a first timer in one, I really enjoyed it and value everyones opinion.

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          • #65
            Re: OLYMPIC BREASTROKE athlete has HCM

            Virginia – dear Virginia,
            Are you saying that a person should refrain from doing what he truly wants to do – if it might reflect badly on some other people?

            Should a young person refrain from dying his/her hair a strange color because somebody might think all High School kids are stupid?
            Should a young person refrain from wearing the latest teen styles because somebody might think they are a gang member?
            Should they outlaw motorcycles because a segment of the population things they are all driven by Hell’s Angels, and the rider will reflect badly on the whole neighborhood?
            Should teens not be allowed to frequent malls after say six PM because they should all be home doing their homework or studying?
            Should seniors not be allowed out after dinner because they need their rest?

            In my book, the only reason to deny someone his or her rights is if it damages the rights of others to a greater extent then the damage caused by restricting the right of the individual.

            An example of that would be the restricting of free speech to the extent of denying a person’s right to yell fire in a gathering – unless there actually is a fire. This is a group safety issue and the heightened risk of injury and/or death to others outweighs the right of individual free speech, - in this particular instance.

            I have lived a long time already, and have seen death close up and personal in auto accidents, and some people just dropping dead in public places. It happens, and life goes on. I have seen people die in the boxing ring and the wrestling ring, and life goes on. I have been in intensive care a number of times when code blue’s were called and people died in the same room as me. In life there is death. That is no reason to deny a person his rights. While I do not agree with a person intentionally risking his life for no greater good, at no time will I deny a person their right to make their own choice in the matter.

            I have seen a man jump from a plane in a training exercise, panic at the door and get rolled up in his chute. He plummeted to earth and made a rather large hole, but never once did I think skydiving should be outlawed. I’d never do it – but lots of others enjoy it.

            Enough yakking. I thing everybody by this time has made up their own mind in this matter. I really don’t think we will change the Italian law, but those who feel as I do will have to be vigilant if we don’t want that form of suppression to grow any further. We still have the right to choose.
            Burt

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            • #66
              Re: OLYMPIC BREASTROKE athlete has HCM

              Burt absolutely not. I am saying that Life is a Risk. You take those risk with an intelligent informed decision. Think of the repercussions on others. Make an informed decison.

              In one respect I feel he should not be denied to compete. In the other I do.

              I do not feel putting a life at risk to compete is worth it. It is not a mere jaunt in the pool. It could cost him his life if in fact he has HCM. Then again life itself is a risk. So which way to go is the question?

              I value every precious moment of life. I lost a 54 yr. old sister in law and a 48 yr. old best friend. As well as 5 other people in a in the past two year. In fact recently another 53 yr. old friend. So I value life.

              This made me wake up and face my own mortality. In fact that is how I ended up accepting I have HCM after 4 years of denial. As well as getting the defibrillator put in, which could save my life.

              Our government is taking our rights away. Just look at the issues around smoking. It is a society of segregation and discrimination. Taxed to death. Then capitalized on by the government. It is a violation of the first amendment "freedom of expression".

              Yet they do not stop us yet from purchasing it. Why? It does not represent our Country.

              The Olympics does represent a Country. That is why the Italian Government can decide who and who doesn't compete in the Olympics.

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              • #67
                Re: OLYMPIC BREASTROKE athlete has HCM

                Virginia,
                I respect you, and I respect your views. I don’t agree that any person should be denied their rights for any reason other then the preserving of the rights of others – not their feelings, but their rights.

                I guess we’ll just have to disagree on this one. I look forward in great anticipation of ‘crossing swards’ with you on other issues as they arise. A good healthy discussion really makes us feel alive, and I do enjoy it a great deal.
                Burt

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                • #68
                  Re: OLYMPIC BREASTROKE athlete has HCM

                  LoL...

                  Have we beaten yet another dead horse to a bloody pulp?

                  "Some days you're the dog... some days you're the hydrant."

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                  • #69
                    Re: OLYMPIC BREASTROKE athlete has HCM

                    Burt I agree with the rights of a person. I disagree with the representation in the Olympics for Government and Country at the expense of life.

                    If the Governement is footing the bill etc., I guess they have the right to deny entry. Unless of course it is a well informed decision. So I agree but I don't.

                    Yes this one is beatened to a pulp. The fact is I agree but I disagree to a point. I value life. So I am on both sides of the coin...........

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