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  • Lisa Salberg
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    I have jsut returned from the NASPE meeting in Washington DC - I find this thread rather interesting.
    Reenie, Sarah and Pat -You bing wonderful points and have expressed concern I had as I read though the posting and I thank you for your comments.
    Dan - you raise some interesting questions about alamgom removal and many of these issues have been raised in the popular media in the past years with mixed comments from the medical community. Will this help your HCM? I would not count on it...however there is not data one way or the other. The comment about "sheep" was a uncalled for and I would ask you be more cautious in the future - I am sure you meant well but the comment was taken as hurtful to many.
    You stated "i do not believe that hypertrophic cardiomyopathy is strictly a genetic condition" - you are welcomed to your opinion. I will simply say there are people who have been studing HCM for 40+ years and they have a great deal of data and evidence to support the position that HCM is a genetic condition and I will have to side with there opinion. The real question remains - why does the gene express itself in some and not others and why in some is it severe and in others mild.


    Keep thinking out of the box - keep sharing ideas and please respect each other.

    Thank you,
    Lisa

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  • Sarah
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    Dear Dan,

    I stand corrected. I checked and amalgam is still being used. However, there are several different types of filling compounds available today and so amalgam is wholly avoidable.

    HCM is autosomal dominant, so you will have HCM if you carry the gene. There have only been a few cases of people carrying the gene without expressing it (out of hundreds of thousands), so I don't think HCM is as environmentally triggered as you imply.

    As for CoQ10--You can take cold medicine to feel better, but it doesn't get rid of the cold. Just as CoQ10 doesn't cure HCM, and it doesn't reduce the hypertrophy. My point about amalgams is that it isn't going to reverse hypertrophy. Sure, you may feel better if you get your fillings removed, even if it is only a placebo effect.

    If you are concerned about any personal bias against alternative medicine, you should know that I take Corgard, Synthroid, and Coumadin. I also take CoQ10, Dong Quai, a holistic vitamin/supplement blend, as well as do tai chi, Reiki, accupuncture, and meditate.

    As for the alleged dangers posed by amalgam fillings, the medical community is squarely down on the side of amalgam is safe. http://www.ada.org/public/topics/fillings.html

    For a breakdown of the myths about amalgams, please see this: http://www.dentalwatch.org/hg/myths100.html.

    For the World Health Organization's finding that they are safe:
    http://www.who.int/pcs/newsletter/ipcs-01.pdf

    For a cogent discussion of the controvery around amalgams, please see this, which also discusses the science of Dr. Huggins, the authour of one of the books you mentioned in your first post: http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...s/mercury.html

    I would be happy to discuss amalgams further, particularly if you have links to a recent, reliable, double-blind study on the topic.

    Take care,

    Sarah

    PS Thanks to Reenie and Pat for being gracious.

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  • Pat
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    Dan,

    I want you to know that I agree with Reenie's two comments above. It makes it very difficult for me to listen to your ideas when you belittle others who have different ideas.

    Pat

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  • Reenie
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    Originally posted by danhall
    if it was strictly genitic then why do i have more energy and feel better when i take Co-q 10, 400 mg daily, which stableizes free ratical cell.
    This is something you should discuss with your doctor. Are you seeing a specialist? There are some wonderful HCM specialists in Cleveland.

    Reenie

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  • Reenie
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    Dan, you are most welcome to your own opinion. You are also free to express your opinion. I think, however, when you tell us "you are wrong" on certain issues and suggest that everyone on this board is part of a "flock of sheep" you are overstepping those rights to free speech. Your words are harsh and uncalled for. I didn't see where anyone attacked you. I am asking that you choose other words when you post replies to anyone who writes on this board. We are here for information and support. That doesn't mean we can't disagree, but it doesn't give us the right to attack others.

    As far as the posts that you are attacking, I feel the poster was replying with concern and empathy, as well as with knowledge. She wasn't talking off the cuff of her sleeve. She has a great deal of knowledge about HCM . Although nobody knows everything, I feel she was replying with the known information there is about almagom fillings and their affect, or lack thereof, on HCM. I feel you are way off base to be so rude.

    In the future if you disagree with something someone said, please do not post on the board your harsh words. If it is something that you feel strongly enough about, please send a private message to the individual or to Lisa. She is the president of the HCMA and has the ultimate decision on what is posted on the board and what is deleted.

    Sincerely,
    Reenie

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  • danhall
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    dear ketan thanki,

    i would be more interested in hearing more about your procedeure after you have it. see if you can ask your doctor if they can examine the cells to see if they are deficient of any vitamins, minerals and/or amino acids. also it would be interesting to know if there were any toxins in the tissue.

    dan hall

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  • danhall
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    i do not believe that hypertrophic cardiomyopathy is strictly a genetic condition. genitics may play an roll but i think that several outside factors that play an important roll also. and yes amalgom fillings are still used and advocated by the ada. if it was strictly genitic then why do i have more energy and feel better when i take Co-q 10, 400 mg daily, which stableizes free ratical cell. i think you mean well but you need to think outside the box instead of being lead like one of many in a flock of sheep.

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  • Sarah
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    Dear Dan,

    I am aware of the health concerns about amalgam fillings.

    However, my argument about amalgam removal's inablity to change HCM in someone is based on the fact that the disease is genetic and is proven to be genetic, therefore you are predisposed to HCM before you ever have any amalgam fillings installed. Also, I don't think they are ever used anymore, nor have they been used for a while.

    I will grant you that there is a chance that removing your fillings may make you feel better, however, the hypertrophy is already there --the cat is out of the bag.

    I look forward to hearing from you after the procedure. Don't forget to premedicate if you have reguritation!

    S

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  • danhall
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    you are wrong, alamgom removal i believe will be helpful for the following 3 reasons

    1. if you have low thyroid it can be caused by mercury fillings.
    2. if you have low testerone it can be caused by mercury fillings.
    3. even the most minute amount of mercury has an effect on cell function.

    thyroid and testerosterone have an direct effect on the heart and depression. remember that the cells of hyertrophic cardiomyopathy are not dead they do not grow properly. why ??????????????????????????? i have found a dentist in cleveland who follow the huggins protocal and after talking with him feel confident in his capability to remove my mercury fillings. if anyone would like to e-mail me direct you may do so at [email protected].

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  • kthanki
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    I had viral myocarditis at the age of 11, and there was enlargement of the heart. During the follow up tests after a year of two, HCM was discovered.
    I have doctors with two line of thoughts. Some say it is hereditary HCM, and some say it is left over from viral myocarditis.
    So far, No body in the family had been tested positive that includes my dad,mom and brother. My sister is getting checked in next couple of weeks.
    The only way it can be confirmed according to Mayo, Roc. MN is by septal biopsy which I plan to get doned when I make my trip there...

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  • Sarah
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    Hi,

    I haven't read the books you refer to, but there is a viral cardiomyopathy. It is very rare and hard to get. I don't know anything specific about it, however.

    I can tell you that HCM is a genetic disorder. They have already identified many mutations. You can read the rest of this site (not just the board) for more info on HCM or you can buy the book Lisa and our medical advisor wrote, "Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy: A Patient and Doctor's Guide." It is available through the office.

    I doubt very highly that having your amalgam fillings removed will make any difference in HCM or that it could have caused a genetic mutation.

    S

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  • Reenie
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    Hi Dan, and welcome. I'm sorry that I don't know the answer to any of your questions, but I'm sure you will have others reply to you soon.

    Reenie

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  • danhall
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    amalgom removal, bacteria, virus, parasites

    has anyone read the cure for all diseases, uninformed consent, and/or it's all in your head? has anyone had almagom removal and had it help there cardiomyopathy? has anyone had there cardiomyopathy linked to bacteria, viruses, or parasites?

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