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  • #16
    Re: Over did it

    Lil Mac, I fully understand your situation. I have been a noncompetitive gym rat for about 30 years. I was diagnosed with HCM 2 years ago with symptoms that I related to dehydration. I have had several episodes of dehydration, where my heart rate was racing. I continue to workout, but I found that the medication that I was prescribed Toprolol at a very high dosage. This was making my heart weaker and more vulnerable to other problems. My blood pressure has always been around 115/70 and resting heart rate around 55 bpm. My cholesterol was quite moderate. Several months ago, I had very vigorous workout and my ICD shocked about 7 times while I was resting. Surprisingly, my heart rate dropped after I drank a Powerade ION4(with Magnesium). Powerade ION4 is the only sports drink with Magnesium that I am aware of.

    I learned through a lot of internet research there was a very strong correlation with sudden heart palpitations and magnesium/potassium deficiencies. I started reading "The Sinatra Solution" by Stephen T. Sinatra and I found that a combination of Fish Oil, CoQ10, L-Carnitine, Magnesium and D-Ribose have re-energized my heart. My heart palpitations are very rare while I once thought it was a regular occurrence in human affairs. I have been slowly rebuilding my exercise plan back to the controlled fatigue method advocated by Ori Hofmekler. His book "The Warrior Diet" is very good, but Roman mythology is a bit much. I like his approach because it integrated weight training and cardio training. It is a very effective method to stay in-shape and not exceeding your personal boundaries. Also, take a very progressive approach to increasing your load and your reps for psychological purposes. This builds your confidence and neurological pathways to your new normal status. Kettlebells have been particularity useful. Also, my dosage of Toprolol has been lowered to 25mg daily and it feels like a different drug.

    From a diet standpoint, I rarely consume anything caffeinated or any other stimulant and I have a well balance omnivorous diet.

    I have given-up on something that I really enjoyed due to this diagnosis, notably SCUBA diving. I will still live on. But, if you know a doctor that I can convince to clear me for diving again, then I am ready to travel.

    My posting was much longer than your, so don't be shy!

    April 6,2013 Update:
    In February 2013, I experienced a very serious V-Fib episode. I spent a week in the hospital after about 40 shocks. I learned that I had the flu and my potassium level dropped significantly. I have been eating a banana every morning as part of my breakfast and I did not feel well that morning. I was taking a 25mg dosage of Metopolol. I also started taking a different Magnesium supplement that included calcium, which I think was my big mistake. Higher dosages of Topolol could not eliminate the PVCs, so I was switched to Nadolol and Potassium. Upon my release from the hospital, I was prescribed Nadolol 40mg, Magnesium Chloride(OTC brand name Slow-Mag), CoQ10, L-Carnitine and fish Oil. The Nadolol and the Magnesium Chloride definitely make a difference, but I am still experiencing muscle twitching and one day my blood pressure surged to 146/96. This is high blood pressure for me. I started to drink some lemon juice and it dropped to normal, then elevated again about an hour later. My muscles would twitch all over my body, which I knew this is Magnesium deficiency symptom. I took a magnesium supplement (250mg w/o Calcium) and everything went back to normal.

    I am convinced that electrolyte management is much more important than many cardiologist acknowledge. The Magnesium Chloride definitely helps to retain Potassium, but I believe that I need to supplement my Magnesium intake. I am discussing this with my physician at this time. I have not returned to the gym yet, because I am not confident in my condition at this time. I have been eating at least 2 bananas, 2 oranges and an apple during the day on a daily basis and and well balanced dinner. BTW, I have an egg and a banana for breakfast. I hope this is helpful to someone.
    Last edited by Boris_DeL; 04-06-2013, 09:32 AM. Reason: update to my condition
    Boris

    Diagnosed at 48 years in December 2010(New Cyborg)
    Very active physically/Great Blood Pressure & Cholesterol
    Very limited family history of heart trouble
    Medication: Nadolol 40mg twice daily
    Magnesium Chloride(Slow-Mag) twice daily
    Boston Scientific ICD TELIGEN 100 Installed 12/9/2010

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    • #17
      Re: Over did it

      I would recommend caution in using much of the diet advice that's out there, and I think you'd be well advised to consult your HCM doctor before starting to use supplements or radically changing your diet. I know of at least one HCM specialist (Dr. Lever at the Cleveland Clinic) who recommends that HCM patients not take CoQ10 (see http://my.clevelandclinic.org/heart/...omyopathy.aspx).

      And I have to add something else: Boris, if all the doctors tell you that SCUBA is a bad idea, do you really want to go hunting for one who's willing to say otherwise?

      Gordon
      Myectomy on Feb. 5, 2007.

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      • #18
        Re: Over did it

        I only workout about 3 time per week now, 1 or 2 if i'm not feeling up to it. Not going to do the bench press contest or the bodybuilding contest just can't workout like I need to in order to compete. Thanks for all the posts. I'm trying to focus on other hobbies now but dang is it hard.

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        • #19
          Re: Over did it

          WOW! Just read an article Lisa posted on 12-12-2006, about a bodybuilder who lost his life right before a contest. Reading that has really made me think. I told another gym rat who has HCM and who is very close to me about the article. He too was getting ready for contests. (there are several a year in the area we live) We talked about our lifts, how much we did in the past what we are doing now and what we should be doing. sorry to go on and on but the article hit home. I'm not very good with computers tried to link it but didn't work.

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          • #20
            Re: Over did it

            Yes, bodybuilding isn't a good idea for HCM'ers. You would be better off to go with lighter weights and more repetitions. It's the straining and stress you put on your heart and your breathing that is so bad. Also, obstruction can be worse when you're lifting heavy weights. This can put long-term damage on your heart.
            Reenie

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            Husband has HCM.
            3 kids - ages 23, 21, & 19. All presently clear of HCM.

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            • #21
              Re: Over did it

              Gordon,
              Your advise has been well received, but I miss Diving badly. My 17 year old received his advanced certification last summer. I wished that I could have been driving with him.
              Boris

              Diagnosed at 48 years in December 2010(New Cyborg)
              Very active physically/Great Blood Pressure & Cholesterol
              Very limited family history of heart trouble
              Medication: Nadolol 40mg twice daily
              Magnesium Chloride(Slow-Mag) twice daily
              Boston Scientific ICD TELIGEN 100 Installed 12/9/2010

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              • #22
                Re: Over did it

                Boris - While being underwater may be out the picture for you. You can still share in the experience with your son. Go with him on trips, manage his equipment, get an underwater camera (Video!) for him share his dives with you. Yes, you'll miss a part of it, but a whole different experience awaits you. Its that glass half full thing. . .
                Marc
                Diagnosed @ 48
                Saw Dr. Michael Debakey @ age 5 - "He's fine, just a little noisy"
                Father to 3 boys 22, 25, 29 (all currently clear - pending genetics)
                AICD - Valentines Day '08, Spark Plug replaced 11/14
                After much research, I had a Myectomy @ Mayo for my 50th Birthday '08
                Quietly going insane . . .

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                • #23
                  Re: Over did it

                  Hi,

                  I used to use gym constantly before my condition grew exceedingly worse! But one day after I'd finished I couldn't move! It felt like a ton of bricks were laying on my chest, I had to get home and lay down and my breathing wasn't normal for a few hours. You need to listen to your body, and when you are tired it is best not to push yourself it's completely normal to feel like that with this condition.
                  Diagnosed with HCM @ 6 years old.
                  Father & 2/5 sisters affected
                  ICD Implant in 2011
                  Evaluation for Transplant in process.

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                  • #24
                    I was having an incredible day yesterday, no issues, felt better, i went to the exercise centre the previous evening i was into seat squeeze rivalries before i was analysed am as yet a rec centre rodent
























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