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meggy8868 retired teacher; had my first echo which indicated HCM in 1999 but was not told I had the condition. Find out more about meggy8868
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  • Botox

    Is botox be dangerous? Needles?

    Thanks
    Last edited by meggy8868; 10-04-2010, 08:56 AM.
    HOCM diagnosed Mayo Clinic Aug. 2010

    25 mg of atenolol.

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    Re: Botox

    Meggy:

    I have been worrying about the safety of suppliments after what Dr. Lever said and up pops Botox. I just can't get to a place where I could consider having the Botulism toxin [toxin being the key word here] injected into my body [the toxin being dead or alive].

    Also note:
    On February 8, 2008, the FDA announced that Botox has "been linked in some cases to adverse reactions, including respiratory failure and death, following treatment of a variety of conditions using a wide range of doses," due to its ability to spread to areas distant to the site of the injection.[46] In April 2009, the FDA updated its mandatory boxed warning cautioning that the effects of the botulinum toxin may spread from the area of injection to other areas of the body, causing symptoms similar to those of botulism.

    Related to the toxin [live but I'm not taking my chances] itself:
    It is the most acutely toxic substance known, with a median lethal dose of about 1 ng/kg when introduced intravenously[3] and 3 ng/kg when inhaled[22] This means that, depending on the method of introduction into the body, a mere 90–270 nanograms of botulinum toxin could be enough to kill an average 90 kg (200 lb) person.

    Think I'll stick with Oil of Olay...

    toodle pip... Moosedreams
    Diagnosed HCM Nov 2009
    100 mg Atenolol; Baby asprin
    First Trip to CCF June 2010
    HCM Specialist at CCF... Dr. Harry Lever
    Septal Myectomy at CCF... August 9th 2010: Dr. Nicholas Smidera
    AICD w/pacer at CCF... December 20th 2010

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    • #3
      Re: Botox

      While I have no specific knowledge about Botox, my own opinion would be that unless it is necessary for some medical reason, I would stay far away from it for cosmetic reasons only. I have read of some terrible things happening to non-HCM'ers and for us, everything just seems to be even more complicated. So, unless it is being used to help someone with some kind of medical condition, I say it isn't worth the risk.
      Daughter of Father with HCM
      Diagnosed with HCM 1999.
      Full term pregnancy - Son born 11/01
      ICD implanted 2/03; generator replaced 2/2005 and 2/2012
      Myectomy 8/11/06 - Joe Dearani - Mayo Clinic.

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      • #4
        Re: Botox

        Thanks: I had a check in my spirit and when I saw two negative replies; I thought that is enough. Although I had some in 2008 without any problems (because I didn't know anything was really currently serious with my heart , it was with a top notch practitioner in Dallas.

        Feeling really glum today, even following the best week I have ever had (changing meds to morning). I saw 1999 echo where it stated that I had a hypertrophic left ventricle (no diagnosis) and even a gradient of 30. Nobody even told me the results of that echo and I didn't find out until 2008. Even then, I inferred that it was not a situation that i had to deal with then (still gradient of 30). These doctors !!!! GRRRRR
        Grumble. I had to spend some time last weekend in forgiveness, and it looks like I have to do it again.!
        HOCM diagnosed Mayo Clinic Aug. 2010

        25 mg of atenolol.

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        • #5
          Re: Botox

          Cynaburst: I don't need it for medical reasons. My niece, however does, and she may have HCM. She had a paralyzed face from a head injury, and she would not be able to use one side of her face if it were not for botox. She has to have her entire face injected just to be able to use it properly. This needs to be done every six months.
          Af ter many trials, hit and miss with the head injury, botox turned out to be the solution. Interesting.
          HOCM diagnosed Mayo Clinic Aug. 2010

          25 mg of atenolol.

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          • #6
            Re: Botox

            Yes, the point I was making was that in some cases, a higher degree of risk may be justified. If your niece really needs to be treated with Botox, then her need may outweigh any theoretical risk from treatment due to her HCM.

            However, there are lots of people (especially here in L.A. where I live) who have Botox parties and will do anything to get rid of their facial lines and wrinkles. To me, it is not worth the risk. Yes, of course I would like to look good, but I would rather look ugly and be alive and relatively healthy than to inject poison into my face and later find out that it had some bad effect on my heart.
            Daughter of Father with HCM
            Diagnosed with HCM 1999.
            Full term pregnancy - Son born 11/01
            ICD implanted 2/03; generator replaced 2/2005 and 2/2012
            Myectomy 8/11/06 - Joe Dearani - Mayo Clinic.

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            • #7
              Re: Botox

              I know: Not knowing for so long about my hcm, and all the crazy things I did that may have caused it to be come worse, I really regret--Lisa is right--knowledge is power.
              Thanks for your replies.
              HOCM diagnosed Mayo Clinic Aug. 2010

              25 mg of atenolol.

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              • #8
                I read a lot about botulinum toxin on the Internet and how it affects health and all I can understand is that problems arise from low-quality Botox product with impurities, which you will most likely buy if you don't have prescription. But I also know that there are online stores that sell high quality legal Botox that is freely sold in Asia, such as this. This is the best way to get Botox for injection from good manufacturer that guarantees that their products safe for your health. All you have to do is find the professional in Botox therapy and get the treatment you need.
                Last edited by Dahilla; 07-22-2020, 04:46 AM.

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                • #9
                  I would not use botox until I will see that I really need it for my face. But I've noticed that faces of people who did it look like a wax which is a bit strange

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                  • #10
                    Botox treatment for face works on the principle of blocking the nerves that causing the wrinkle. The wrinkles or frown lines on our face are caused by the muscle movement, and by blocking the nerve it essentially eliminates the capability of muscle to contract; eventually getting rid of wrinkles and fine lines.

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